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'Earning' a request

Discussion in 'Suggestions' started by GG, Jul 21, 2010.

  1. GG

    GG Active Member

    Hey everyone,

    I'm sure we've all noticed the problem of members coming on the forum and requesting projects to be done for them and then not ever coming back to the forum or ever thought of helping someone else whilst they are recieving help.

    My thought to tackle this was that from a certain day lets says next Monday all those that request something MUST atleast have 5 posts and those must be by helping out someone else on the forum such as giving a review for someone's site or maybe design ideas even if it's not on their own post, and if someone does request without helping anyone then you just have to inform them that they must help to get their request done.

    Anyone have their opinions? agree or disagree?
  2. 1970Forest

    1970Forest Moderator Staff Member

    Strongly agree!!

    I've seen just over the past few days;

    Someone WANTS a design, but no sign of a please or thank you:mad:

    A post saying what they want, but ask for the design to be e-mailed to them :mad:

    Even people working with a designer (which yes is great as the finished product needs to be to thier liking) but then going completey of track and asking for something different.

    Yes I totally agree FREE should mean FREE but in just 3 examples there has been NO attempt by the person to help out, as GG has said.

    I do know it is down to the designer if they want to take up certain challenges, but at the same time we need to get the message across that this is a GIVE and TAKE forum, and that's why I agree with GG on his suggestion on how to get it...

    Sorry Guys n Girls rant over.....:D
  3. Recidivist

    Recidivist VIP Member

    I agree, maybe it could be set up so members cannot post in the 'Request..' thread without atleast 5 posts, and mods check through their 5 posts to make sure they are helpful/useful etc. and not just spam to get their post count up. <-- And if people did, it could end up in a temp ban, posts reset etc..
  4. GG

    GG Active Member

    yep..I've seen it being done on a few forums where members aren't allowed to post in certain areas until they reach 5 posts, but I think that's Mimouns contol into doing that if he wishes only if most of us agree on this though.

    It's a great community and puts our rep down when we have keep throwing people off by telling them to contribute...
  5. cynthiajwang

    cynthiajwang VIP Member

    What about a certain number of posts before starting a thread?
    I know that's how it is with some other forums..?
  6. GG

    GG Active Member

    Yep that's what I said didn't I? apologies if I havn't.


    the problem with that is the people will just put in random posts like 'great post - thanks for sharing' and that's not actually helping anyone lol so in order to make the members contribute they must help someone.

    Even if they've done 10 posts and only 3 of the posts that they have made has helped someone then they still won't recieve a graphic because they need to have 5 posts that are helping someone and it doesn't have to be 5 different people it can be the same as long the post is useful.

    If no one understood this then I do apologise..it's way past midnight here and brain not working proper at the moment :p so i'll explain again properly after the next 10hours if I just confused anyone :D
  7. Recidivist

    Recidivist VIP Member

    QFT, I know what ye mean xD

    If people posted things like 'Great post' etc. mods can delete their posts, bringing the persons post count back down. Can also delte/archive their post untill they contribute properly. You could help the mods by reporting the posts of the person, with a reason like ' Post count padding' and maybe a link to their request. If the members help out like that, it's a very minimal impact on the workload of the mods.

    Quoted again (with a small edit) so I don't have to write it myself :p

  8. cynthiajwang

    cynthiajwang VIP Member

    Makes sense; you'll probably need more mods then, since FWT is based on an honor system...

    I agree with Recidivist...what if you had "report" button? (and hope nobody abuses that button...haha)
  9. GG

    GG Active Member

    there is a report button...It's at the top of each post with the White triangle and a red outline that's how I usually report a spammer but not sure if everyone's seen it though. It's at the top right of each post you make so just use that if you ever need it..not sure if we need more mods though?

    but good point recy just need the mods to see this post too lol and Mimoun to see if they agree then we can start this within a few days..
  10. cynthiajwang

    cynthiajwang VIP Member

    .....okay I just feel like a complete idiot; I'll just shut up now, ahaha.
  11. GG

    GG Active Member

    lol don't worry no one usually figures that out I didn't figure that out after months of signing up to the forum lol it is a little hard to figure out as we don't pay attention to all these but when boredom kicks in you start to figure out things :p
  12. ishkey

    ishkey Moderator, Logos, Sports Crests Staff Member Verified Member

    You guys are really thinking about this.
    Yes there are lots of people who do not come back, don't contribute, have no money to hire someone, don't say thank you, try to boost your ego in the first and last sentence, never have intentions of helping just want, those who contribute Great web site, it's an endless list.

    What ever is decided on, GG is right, Mimoun owns the Forum and has the Admin Rights to alter it.
    So we most definitely need his input and all the others involved.

    A good idea - but I have been cussed out enough as a Mod.
    Post count is a common way though myself would rather not "delete/archive" posts, rather I would try to appeal to what they feel their request is worth compared to their posts. If their posts were lame I could ask them if they want my 2 year old grand daughters work or someone experienced here?
    Most new members before they post read the other posts first to gather a basic understanding how to request, so just maybe based on the above it would move the newer posts to a higher level sorta speak.

    Right now it is easy to jump right on something to help out and display your talents (good for our egos and other things), where we could be telling the poster "I'll try to work on something in a few days - in the mean time look around and help out." Then watch and see. If he/she has may other posts, then look at them. Are they give and take or just take, then decide how you will handle them.

    I believe the idea warrants more discussion.
    Now is the time for the others to weigh in.
  13. GG

    GG Active Member

    Some very good points Ish. Just need to get in touch with CP and Mimoun and see what they have to say but so far so good :)

    But I think we have been telling other members to help out within the forum and have a look but yet they still do not do it so I think by Mimoun setting a limit to all new members that they cannot request until they post 5 OR we can tell them ourselves that we will not be posting up anything until they begin to help with a minimum of 5 posts and that way they will have no choice but to help out and also they will help quickly making it easier for the person recieving it and also for the community.

    This will also save us time from keeping an eye on each new post as we have many new posts that come in everyday but yeah this is for the forum and also for the great members that help out so anyone want to make a suggestion then please do if you also have any ideas etc

    I think the only place where members can help is the website review so do you think we may need more sections on the forum? such as business card designs, logo critique and any others that come to mind.

    I know Mimoun is changing the forum and that will take some time as he is very busy however, this can change the forum for the better but can only work as a community and also from the admins power! :p
  14. CovertPea

    CovertPea Moderator Staff Member Verified Member

    Putting the "minimum posts" issue aside for a moment..

    I have noticed a positive change in newer members helping others just by adding the simple
    "In the meantime (and as a way of giving back to the community in return), take a roam around the forum and see if you can find other members looking for some help with various questions and/or problems."

    If, after helping out around the forums they wait to get their request filled then buzz off not to be heard of again, well, that's the way it goes.
    BUT, out of those few that DO hang around, we've still managed to gain some great, committed members (and good buddies)

    Most of which have posted comments on this thread! :D Thank you guys and girls!

    As for my way of sorting the givers from the takers...
    Once a request is posted, I'll reply that I'll try to put something together for them. I then stick their post in my "bookmarks" and check back every now and again to see if they've helped out.
    If they've not helped out, I move on to fill the request of a new member that HAS helped. Regardless of what order the request comes in.

    I've still got requests sitting in my "bookmarks" that are months old. Obviously, these members reluctance to help out others outweighed their 'need' for a logo/crest design.
    No loss.
    Sure beats putting together a design, posting it up and not ever getting a response. Now that really boils my blood!

    Getting back to minimum posts thing, I'm neither for nor against its implementation.
    Whatever the majority agree to is fine with me. :)

    By the way peoples, (bragging rights)
    Since getting my own site up I've designed and sold 4 logos/crests.
    This sitting on my butt and making money without even leaving the house is absolutely brilliant!!!

  15. 1970Forest

    1970Forest Moderator Staff Member

    Reading through all the posts on this and looking at it on the MODs side then its just adding work to thier own shoulders (what with spammers etc etc to deal with)

    I think Susan has hit the nail on the head; it really is down on the designers if they want to help a poster or not regardless of amount of posts they do.

    If we all use our common sense and post something like, that as been suggested asking them to browse and help, (which I know alot of us are doing now) and see if they do.

    And if like me when a poster WANTS or cant use the P or TY words just stear clear?
  16. GG

    GG Active Member

    A very good point CP and Forest.

    As stated we are now mostly telling members to help out whilst they are waiting for their request to be done.

    But my point on this is that we get new requests coming in daily, now to save us from checking on every member some posts will be lost and then we'll have to look for that post, but if Mimoun can set a rule on the forum that new members are not allowed to create a new thread until they have a minimum of 5 posts then that way we know that which ever new post comes in we can then work on it straight away instead of having to check back again every now and then to see if they've helped out.

    And congrats CP on the site and logos. It's always a good feeling when you get that extra cash ;)
  17. Mimoun

    Mimoun Administrator Staff Member Director Verified Member

    I agree that it’s a good idea to earn your request.
    The big problem here is will a minimum 5 posts help with this or just make it a bigger problem? If members just post, because they have to and not because they want to the quality of the posts and forum will go down very fast.
    We will have a lot more to moderate and it will be a lot harder to keep up with the good posts.

    As CP said: point out to the new members to help out if they can in anyway.
  18. GG

    GG Active Member

    True point..So I think we should all tell members to help out within the forum whilst their request is being done and then check back on them to see if they are and if not then they won't recieve any help?

    the minimum posts? how many posts should they make in order for us to help them?

    this bit can be discussed in PM so that new members cannot see the amount that they need to post else as Mimoun has stated their posts won't be of any good quality if not, then feel free to post :D
  19. y2jgillam

    y2jgillam New Member

    I guess i could be put in this bracket. A forum i regularly post on, states that you have to post a certain amount of time before you gain acess/privlidges.
  20. ishkey

    ishkey Moderator, Logos, Sports Crests Staff Member Verified Member

    So on this forum, y2jgillam is there a word count imposed?
    Are the posts substantial or bogus?